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		<title>By: Grand Moff Texan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grand Moff Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Moreover, I am not especially surprised that in July of 2002, “it seemed clear Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided.”&lt;/i&gt; 

And yet the Bush administration continued to deny that such a decision had been made, and they &lt;b&gt;continue&lt;/b&gt; to claim that &quot;nothing could be further from the truth.&quot;  

The significance of the info coming out of the UK lies soley in the fact that it documents what only the critics of the Bush adm. have been willing to say (all along) as the official US justification for invading Iraq continued its tour of Wonderland.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Moreover, I am not especially surprised that in July of 2002, “it seemed clear Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided.”</i> </p>
<p>And yet the Bush administration continued to deny that such a decision had been made, and they <b>continue</b> to claim that &#8220;nothing could be further from the truth.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The significance of the info coming out of the UK lies soley in the fact that it documents what only the critics of the Bush adm. have been willing to say (all along) as the official US justification for invading Iraq continued its tour of Wonderland.<br />
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		<title>By: PubliusToo</title>
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		<dc:creator>PubliusToo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JackD, I agree that the prior expectation of a few observers isn’t the point being made here.  However, the reasons given for starting the war no longer matter to the electorate; rather, (I think) the electorate is and will be mainly concerned about the reasons for continuing the war.  The American people will tolerate continuing losses if fully justified to protect national security, notwithstanding the erroneous or false reasons initially given for undertaking the adventure.  But Americans will not indefinitely sacrifice blood and treasure to prove some political or other strategic point, such as the domino theory that justified the Vietnam War or the democratization theory now being used to justify the Iraq War.  Thus, the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam without a victory not simply because the American electorate was misled, but because the losses became wholly unjustifiable.  The eventual loss of Vietnam did not truly threaten American security or other vital American interests, and political or strategic theories carry politicians only so far when swimming upstream against the currents of reality.

With the threat of Iraqi WMD clearly behind us, the Iraq War will not be tolerated indefinitely without another clear threat to national security coming from Iraq.  The administration is still tying the War to its fight against terrorists because now the “terrorists” are fighting an insurgency in Iraq.  If that proves to be another canard, then I think the American electorate will force the U.S. to withdraw rather quickly.  Anyway, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JackD, I agree that the prior expectation of a few observers isn’t the point being made here.  However, the reasons given for starting the war no longer matter to the electorate; rather, (I think) the electorate is and will be mainly concerned about the reasons for continuing the war.  The American people will tolerate continuing losses if fully justified to protect national security, notwithstanding the erroneous or false reasons initially given for undertaking the adventure.  But Americans will not indefinitely sacrifice blood and treasure to prove some political or other strategic point, such as the domino theory that justified the Vietnam War or the democratization theory now being used to justify the Iraq War.  Thus, the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam without a victory not simply because the American electorate was misled, but because the losses became wholly unjustifiable.  The eventual loss of Vietnam did not truly threaten American security or other vital American interests, and political or strategic theories carry politicians only so far when swimming upstream against the currents of reality.</p>
<p>With the threat of Iraqi WMD clearly behind us, the Iraq War will not be tolerated indefinitely without another clear threat to national security coming from Iraq.  The administration is still tying the War to its fight against terrorists because now the “terrorists” are fighting an insurgency in Iraq.  If that proves to be another canard, then I think the American electorate will force the U.S. to withdraw rather quickly.  Anyway, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.</p>
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		<title>By: JackD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the real issue the fact that the polis of the country was lied to and signed on to George&#039;s excellent adventure?  The fact that Publius Too, Betty the Crow and JackD knew about it all along isn&#039;t really the point, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the real issue the fact that the polis of the country was lied to and signed on to George&#8217;s excellent adventure?  The fact that Publius Too, Betty the Crow and JackD knew about it all along isn&#8217;t really the point, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: JLS -- Mad as Hell In PA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLS -- Mad as Hell In PA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thot you might like to see or use this. I sent as letter to editor Times-Leader, Wilkes-Barre, PA
 
IMPEACHMENT: THE CLEANSER TO

REMOVE THE STAIN FROM AMERICA


By: JLS

Have you heard about the Downing Street Memos?

If it is true that they prove Bush and Blair conspired to &quot;fix the intelligence&quot; to manipulate the United Nations and too knowingly use non-existent weapons of mass destruction as an excuse for their otherwise illegal invasion of Iraq, there might be cause to bring about impeachment proceedings.

Finally, we may have found the cleanser that will scrub away the stain put on the American image abroad and our domestic psyche here at home. Only by impeaching Bush for his efforts to deceive the public and his unconstitutional actions can we ever hope to regain our honor and the trust of the world. 

It would a fitting end to the debacle that started with the 2000 election. By impeaching Bush the American people would prove that they have come to their senses and are no longer ruled by fear or the specter of 911. I suspect that even the most sincere conservatives know in their heart that he is not, nor never was the man their &quot;Noise Machine&quot; made him out to be.

Even a genius such as Karl Rove can’t make a &quot;silk purse&quot; out of a man who’s past, unpreparedness, and willingness to play loose with the truth is beginning to catch up with him.

Although he apparently won the 2004 election with a legitimate, but slim margin, his approval ratings have tanked in recent weeks and the majority of the American people are beginning to see what their fellow human beings across the Atlantic saw months ago -- that the war against Iraq is not worth fighting.

American blood should never be spilled for the purpose of regime change anywhere in the world -- or for the benefit of multi-national corporations. Bush and Blair knew the world would not sanction a war just to oust a brutal dictator or get control of an oil field.. The original name for their planned operation was to be Operation Iraqi Liberation -- until someone pointed out the name would be abbreviated O-I-L. Thus, came about OIF -- Operation Iraqi Freedom.

No one questions the resolve, the patriotism, the ability or the dedication of the men and women of our Armed Forces. Most of them deserve the admiration, the respect, the thanks and the bipartisan support of all parties. But more and more of those in uniform are coming to the conclusion that their role is to defend the soil of the United States of America; not wage pre-emptive and ill conceived attacks on sovereign nations overseas. I have always wondered how career officers and enlisted men and women could follow, without question, the orders of a Commander in Chief who could not -- or would not -- ever answer the questions regarding his own record of military service. 

As a nation, we the people, can not wait until 2008 for regime change. We need to reclaim our country and its rightful place in the world. We need to right the wrongs we have allowed this administration to perpetrate in our name. We need to do it now and we need to use the tools given to us by the founding fathers. Our magnificent Constitution provides for the removal of officials who mislead the people and misuse the powers entrusted to them. Within the boundaries of our own country we have the right and obligation to bring about regime change when it becomes necessary. For the sake of future generations it is necessary -- now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thot you might like to see or use this. I sent as letter to editor Times-Leader, Wilkes-Barre, PA</p>
<p>IMPEACHMENT: THE CLEANSER TO</p>
<p>REMOVE THE STAIN FROM AMERICA</p>
<p>By: JLS</p>
<p>Have you heard about the Downing Street Memos?</p>
<p>If it is true that they prove Bush and Blair conspired to &#8220;fix the intelligence&#8221; to manipulate the United Nations and too knowingly use non-existent weapons of mass destruction as an excuse for their otherwise illegal invasion of Iraq, there might be cause to bring about impeachment proceedings.</p>
<p>Finally, we may have found the cleanser that will scrub away the stain put on the American image abroad and our domestic psyche here at home. Only by impeaching Bush for his efforts to deceive the public and his unconstitutional actions can we ever hope to regain our honor and the trust of the world. </p>
<p>It would a fitting end to the debacle that started with the 2000 election. By impeaching Bush the American people would prove that they have come to their senses and are no longer ruled by fear or the specter of 911. I suspect that even the most sincere conservatives know in their heart that he is not, nor never was the man their &#8220;Noise Machine&#8221; made him out to be.</p>
<p>Even a genius such as Karl Rove can’t make a &#8220;silk purse&#8221; out of a man who’s past, unpreparedness, and willingness to play loose with the truth is beginning to catch up with him.</p>
<p>Although he apparently won the 2004 election with a legitimate, but slim margin, his approval ratings have tanked in recent weeks and the majority of the American people are beginning to see what their fellow human beings across the Atlantic saw months ago &#8212; that the war against Iraq is not worth fighting.</p>
<p>American blood should never be spilled for the purpose of regime change anywhere in the world &#8212; or for the benefit of multi-national corporations. Bush and Blair knew the world would not sanction a war just to oust a brutal dictator or get control of an oil field.. The original name for their planned operation was to be Operation Iraqi Liberation &#8212; until someone pointed out the name would be abbreviated O-I-L. Thus, came about OIF &#8212; Operation Iraqi Freedom.</p>
<p>No one questions the resolve, the patriotism, the ability or the dedication of the men and women of our Armed Forces. Most of them deserve the admiration, the respect, the thanks and the bipartisan support of all parties. But more and more of those in uniform are coming to the conclusion that their role is to defend the soil of the United States of America; not wage pre-emptive and ill conceived attacks on sovereign nations overseas. I have always wondered how career officers and enlisted men and women could follow, without question, the orders of a Commander in Chief who could not &#8212; or would not &#8212; ever answer the questions regarding his own record of military service. </p>
<p>As a nation, we the people, can not wait until 2008 for regime change. We need to reclaim our country and its rightful place in the world. We need to right the wrongs we have allowed this administration to perpetrate in our name. We need to do it now and we need to use the tools given to us by the founding fathers. Our magnificent Constitution provides for the removal of officials who mislead the people and misuse the powers entrusted to them. Within the boundaries of our own country we have the right and obligation to bring about regime change when it becomes necessary. For the sake of future generations it is necessary &#8212; now!</p>
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		<title>By: PubliusToo</title>
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		<dc:creator>PubliusToo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weldon, I agree that we’ll probably see some “duck and cover” excuses during the mid-term elections, but the real battle will occur in 2008.  The negative poll numbers on Iraq already outweigh the positive, but the Iraqi war and U.S. foreign policy in general are primarily presidential issues.  Moreover, the slow bleed of the insurgency, I think, will take a few more years to inflict fatal damage on the misbegotten policy.  

Smintheus, I honestly had no preconceived idea about the contents of the memo before I read it.  Having heard Al Gore and Hillary Clinton personally state prior to the invasion that the Iraqis had substantial WMD, however, I was not particularly surprised by the contents of the memo, which clearly indicate that the American and British governments believed the Iraqis still possessed the proscribed weapons.  In any event, the American people apparently do not care very much about being “misled” to war, but (I maintain) will care very much about the continued and mounting war losses and ultimately will hold the republicans accountable in 2008 if the war losses have not substantially ceased by then.  Where was the outcry, for example, over the misleading State of the Union assertions about a nuclear threat (i.e., the African uranium scandal) or the Plame outing?  I’ll say it till I’m blue in the face:  The American voters care about war losses and not about the false or misleading excuses originally given for the invasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weldon, I agree that we’ll probably see some “duck and cover” excuses during the mid-term elections, but the real battle will occur in 2008.  The negative poll numbers on Iraq already outweigh the positive, but the Iraqi war and U.S. foreign policy in general are primarily presidential issues.  Moreover, the slow bleed of the insurgency, I think, will take a few more years to inflict fatal damage on the misbegotten policy.  </p>
<p>Smintheus, I honestly had no preconceived idea about the contents of the memo before I read it.  Having heard Al Gore and Hillary Clinton personally state prior to the invasion that the Iraqis had substantial WMD, however, I was not particularly surprised by the contents of the memo, which clearly indicate that the American and British governments believed the Iraqis still possessed the proscribed weapons.  In any event, the American people apparently do not care very much about being “misled” to war, but (I maintain) will care very much about the continued and mounting war losses and ultimately will hold the republicans accountable in 2008 if the war losses have not substantially ceased by then.  Where was the outcry, for example, over the misleading State of the Union assertions about a nuclear threat (i.e., the African uranium scandal) or the Plame outing?  I’ll say it till I’m blue in the face:  The American voters care about war losses and not about the false or misleading excuses originally given for the invasion.</p>
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