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		<title>By: quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/1315/comment-page-1#comment-23869</link>
		<dc:creator>quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 18:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely.  The one job Americans won&#039;t do is hire workers who can stand up for themselves.  It&#039;s Walmart and agribusiness who want the illegals--and who want the rest of us to carry the social costs of their underpaid workers, legal and illegal.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://bottleofblog.typepad.com/bottleofblog/2006/04/stand_up_and_be.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BottleofBlog&lt;/a&gt; put it well: 

&quot;That&#039;s the ugly hilarity of Republicans proposing an immigration bill. It&#039;s that simple. ... These are people who get their jobs from scaring the bejesus out of you about open borders, when what they really want to do is pave a giant highway across the border. And these are people who earn a living by whipping up your ugliest emotions at people who are getting something on your dime, when really, you&#039;re getting something on their dime--cheap food, cheap service, cheap whatever.

And the cost is spread out to all of us.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  The one job Americans won&#8217;t do is hire workers who can stand up for themselves.  It&#8217;s Walmart and agribusiness who want the illegals&#8211;and who want the rest of us to carry the social costs of their underpaid workers, legal and illegal.</p>
<p><a href="http://bottleofblog.typepad.com/bottleofblog/2006/04/stand_up_and_be.html" rel="nofollow">BottleofBlog</a> put it well: </p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s the ugly hilarity of Republicans proposing an immigration bill. It&#8217;s that simple. &#8230; These are people who get their jobs from scaring the bejesus out of you about open borders, when what they really want to do is pave a giant highway across the border. And these are people who earn a living by whipping up your ugliest emotions at people who are getting something on your dime, when really, you&#8217;re getting something on their dime&#8211;cheap food, cheap service, cheap whatever.</p>
<p>And the cost is spread out to all of us.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: InsaneDisabled</title>
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		<dc:creator>InsaneDisabled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 13:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People, WAKE UP!!!

The root of the problem isn&#039;t illegal immigrants and how we should deal with them; the problem is the PEOPLE WHO HIRE THEM.

Stop hiring, and they&#039;ll stop coming.

But the people who exploit immigrants -- like the farmers in California and Walmart -- want to keep that cheap labor force.  And they&#039;re rich enough to buy the congressmen to do it.

It isn&#039;t the immigrants who are &quot;taking our jobs&quot;; it&#039;s the employers who are giving them away!  So stop blaming the victims and start blaming the victimizers.  Stop drinking the conservative kool-aid!  This is classic misdirection.  Break out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People, WAKE UP!!!</p>
<p>The root of the problem isn&#8217;t illegal immigrants and how we should deal with them; the problem is the PEOPLE WHO HIRE THEM.</p>
<p>Stop hiring, and they&#8217;ll stop coming.</p>
<p>But the people who exploit immigrants &#8212; like the farmers in California and Walmart &#8212; want to keep that cheap labor force.  And they&#8217;re rich enough to buy the congressmen to do it.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t the immigrants who are &#8220;taking our jobs&#8221;; it&#8217;s the employers who are giving them away!  So stop blaming the victims and start blaming the victimizers.  Stop drinking the conservative kool-aid!  This is classic misdirection.  Break out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/1315/comment-page-1#comment-23834</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 04:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;First off, I believe if you look in driver training literature it will explain that one is supposed to abide by the speed limit when possible but it is important to move with the flow of the traffic around you (i.e. you sometimes may have to surpass the speed limit).&lt;/i&gt;

Hi there. I work at the FHP. The speed limit is not the speed suggestion -- it is the speed limit. You may drive slower than the speed limit if conditions warrant, but it is never legal to exceed the speed limit (with the obvious exceptions for official vehicles).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>First off, I believe if you look in driver training literature it will explain that one is supposed to abide by the speed limit when possible but it is important to move with the flow of the traffic around you (i.e. you sometimes may have to surpass the speed limit).</i></p>
<p>Hi there. I work at the FHP. The speed limit is not the speed suggestion &#8212; it is the speed limit. You may drive slower than the speed limit if conditions warrant, but it is never legal to exceed the speed limit (with the obvious exceptions for official vehicles).</p>
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		<title>By: quixote</title>
		<link>http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/1315/comment-page-1#comment-23831</link>
		<dc:creator>quixote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 03:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came over on the boat at the tender age of six in the days when the US had those quotas the commenter above mentioned.  I watched my university-educated mother struggle through the years of paperwork to get her (and my) green cards.  My mind boggles at the thought of farmworkers trying to deal with that.  This is not like going to the DMV for your driver&#039;s license.  It&#039;s a simpler process to get citizenship in Britain than it is here, and at this point Britain has arguably more to offer.

Re the blathering about all them goddamn moochers spongeing off our great free health care.  News flash: we don&#039;t have free health care.  Keeping people from dying in the street used to be considered an irreducible minimum of civilization.  Illegal immigrants sometimes die because they&#039;re too afraid to go to an emergency room even when at death&#039;s door.  I knew one who died of gangrene from an untreated cut.  The median lifespan of farmworkers is (or was?) something like 47.  They are not over-using emergency rooms.  They are not the reason for soaring health care costs.  (Look at those nice, All-American insurance companies for that.)

A significant number of illegals pay into Social Security.  There must be a few who get payouts, but I&#039;ve never heard of anyone.  Social Security is sitting on many hundreds of millions of dollars in illegal worker contributions that can&#039;t be claimed.  I gather that&#039;s used to help reduce the shortfall for the rest of us.  Kind of makes us the moochers, doesn&#039;t it?

I could go on.  (I did, as a matter of fact, on my blog in &lt;a href=&quot;http://acid-test.blogspot.com/2006/04/immigrants-in-these-united-states.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Immigrants in these United States&lt;/a&gt;.)  One last point I do want to make here: what part of illegal don&#039;t YOU understand?  Last I heard, Columbus landed without a visa from the locals.  The Pilgrims settled without visas.  We&#039;re all illegal, by that reasoning.  Some of us have just been at it longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came over on the boat at the tender age of six in the days when the US had those quotas the commenter above mentioned.  I watched my university-educated mother struggle through the years of paperwork to get her (and my) green cards.  My mind boggles at the thought of farmworkers trying to deal with that.  This is not like going to the DMV for your driver&#8217;s license.  It&#8217;s a simpler process to get citizenship in Britain than it is here, and at this point Britain has arguably more to offer.</p>
<p>Re the blathering about all them goddamn moochers spongeing off our great free health care.  News flash: we don&#8217;t have free health care.  Keeping people from dying in the street used to be considered an irreducible minimum of civilization.  Illegal immigrants sometimes die because they&#8217;re too afraid to go to an emergency room even when at death&#8217;s door.  I knew one who died of gangrene from an untreated cut.  The median lifespan of farmworkers is (or was?) something like 47.  They are not over-using emergency rooms.  They are not the reason for soaring health care costs.  (Look at those nice, All-American insurance companies for that.)</p>
<p>A significant number of illegals pay into Social Security.  There must be a few who get payouts, but I&#8217;ve never heard of anyone.  Social Security is sitting on many hundreds of millions of dollars in illegal worker contributions that can&#8217;t be claimed.  I gather that&#8217;s used to help reduce the shortfall for the rest of us.  Kind of makes us the moochers, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I could go on.  (I did, as a matter of fact, on my blog in <a href="http://acid-test.blogspot.com/2006/04/immigrants-in-these-united-states.html" rel="nofollow">Immigrants in these United States</a>.)  One last point I do want to make here: what part of illegal don&#8217;t YOU understand?  Last I heard, Columbus landed without a visa from the locals.  The Pilgrims settled without visas.  We&#8217;re all illegal, by that reasoning.  Some of us have just been at it longer.</p>
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		<title>By: demosthenes</title>
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		<dc:creator>demosthenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 20:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Weldon--yeah, that one was something.  Apparently, somebody thinks I&#039;m you--or you&#039;re me.  Good to see you.  (Who knew this one would get this kinda traffic?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Weldon&#8211;yeah, that one was something.  Apparently, somebody thinks I&#8217;m you&#8211;or you&#8217;re me.  Good to see you.  (Who knew this one would get this kinda traffic?)</p>
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